In the fourth Global Ed Talks interview of 2020, Anthony Mackay is joined by James Spillane, Professor in Learning and Organizational Change at the School of Education and Social Policy at Northwestern University. Spillane’s work explores the education policy formulation and implementation process at the state, district, school, and classroom levels, focusing on intergovernmental and policy-practice relations. During the interview, Spillane proposes a multilevel framing of educational leadership, arguing for more expansive notions about leadership in the educational sector that reach beyond person and place to embrace a system-wide outlook. Watch the video below or listen to the podcast on iTunes or Spotify.