James Pellegrino, one of the world’s foremost experts on student learning, instruction and assessment, recently sat down with NCEE’s Anthony Mackay to discuss the limits of current assessment models and how we can move toward better, more useful assessments that generate the kind of data we need to improve student learning. Pellegrino also shared his views on the future of assessment of student learning in the U.S. and associated policy implications. Watch the interview here or listen as a podcast on iTunes or Spotify.