In the third Global Ed Talks interview of 2020, Anthony Mackay is joined by Michael Fullan, recognized as an international authority on educational reform and co-director of the New Pedagogies for Deep Learning global initiative, for a discussion focused on the intersection of system leadership, deep learning and equity. During the interview, Fullan, the former dean of the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education (OISE) and professor emeritus of the University of Toronto, shares insights from his recent book, The Devil Is in the Details: System Solutions for Equity, Excellence, and Student Well-being, and highlights opportunities for deeper learning presented by the coronavirus pandemic. Watch the interview below or listen as a podcast on iTunes or Spotify.